Ray's OOC message to the Admin about only 6 on turfs really messed up the flow. Hopefully, they find a way to end it in game since they are in the same location
Idk, stronger gang pushing weaker gang to their turf is just seems natural to me. You can argue about weak gang surrendering when they're getting pushed hard but winning side shouldn't really complain about "tower defense" when losing side can't do shit but hide in their turf. However, if you're losing and try to end the war OOC just to save some face in RP seems so shitty to me.
Why is everybody blaming OTT? Ray decides to OOC message admins asking about turf "clarification". Brother, Hades has used more than 6 on turf against Besties. They used the same turf rules while in The Company. CG uses it, BBMC uses it, Cypress uses it. Even Manor pushed Cypress in their turf 6v12. Why is it suddenly an issue now? Are we going to see this actually be the standard? Of course not. Even after BL decided to fight 4v6 when their crew was lacking, Hades couldn't do the same respect and take on a 6v8 with armour etc.? This is wild. I don't blame OTT for not wanting to continue this line of RP…getting admins involved is so weird but expected.
Holding Turf in war is normal I thought? I mean hell CG fought Saints 6v14 and it was fine. Manor fought Cypress 6v12. ADMC fought CG at LaPuerta 6v8. Cops vs CG and BBMC at LaPuerta. I assume it is only a problem here cause both gangs live on fudge and Black Lotus has the Fudge Lane Turf? Idk seems dumb to complain about it but I can see it being annoying if you have multiple houses there.
When roleplay turns into ruleplay, it just becomes weird end of story. Don't even know why Ray didn't just make the call to push in like they did before or had other gangs do to them in Sandy. Why get admins involved to make it weird? It's not even that deep, but what a lame outcome.
I'm pretty sure almost every war OTT in they end up OOC skip. So you can keep putting the blame on Hades but the real common factor on this kind of sht is OTT
To be fair to OTT, it seems like Ray is the one that got admins involved by asking them about the rule while on stream
Black Lotus even fought a 4v6 when they knew they were lacking I’m pretty sure. But then Ray doesn’t want to push another 6v8 despite his crew being full of armor
I’m just saying that I think both sides haven’t played this situation very well (IC and OOC)
The question here is if you have more properties in your enemies’ turf and your enemy only have one property in their turf, is it really the your enemies’ turf?
OTT's whole plan was to get numbers advantage for the fights, thats not how its supposed to be. He even wanted to convoy around the turf to get in a fight and get all others on turf involved then. Good they clarified and ended this shit.
OTT and BL said to follow our rules or move out. He's then camped fudge for 2 days and once they lost the first day said that 6 isn't enough, go to bed (if you want proof go watch his vods). He's rulebending a defensive turf concept to make it an aggressive one in order to purposely fight 6v10+. Hades has already attack twice into fudge. Black lotus gave the ultimatum of if you remove a camera, it's like shooting me in the middle of NA storm. It's an NA conflict. BL needs to go out and fight instead of having 3 war cars drive around their block with 6 camping on roofs considering they want conflict and the rp behind it. They're manipulating the situation to fight with more than 6, convoying on your block when you know a fight is going to happen with extra backup is not in the spirit of the rule. In the second fight black lotus shot first and initiated but are defending? Obviously the intent of the rule is being twisted and weaponized by them but nuance is obviously lost upon many commenters here.
Instead of crying ooc or going to admins could have talked in character and roleplayed out war term negotiations for example fudge lane being a safe zone or they fight x,y,z but not fudge lane. But then again we are talking about the 3 most egotistical delusional gang leaders.
Since this is 4.0 and have been out a few months ago there shouldn’t be no issue to double check on turf war so no one gets banned. Here’s the thing Hades have pushed on their turf many times. But when was this war about turf? You can’t even counter to take someone’s turf. Ott has always been the guy to go OOC to complain whenever things don’t go his way since forever. Hades didn’t need to double check they were winning the war.
Like how no one pointing out the simple fact that regardless of your feelings about Ray asking for rule clarification, the response from the admin could have just as easily been "nah what BL is doing is fine" and Hades would have just figured it out from there IC.
Also, asking for clarification from admins or devs is normal for Ray…he dms them whenever he isn’t sure about something, even when it could put him at a disadvantage. This narrative that he was doing it to get a W is honestly laughable.
Anyway – chill and watch whatever RP you enjoy watching. It's a game y'all (:
Ray still hasn't lost his ego from rust. Going to admins and throwing a fit after being smoked is crazy. Hades just like cg, can't take an L. Mr k at least knows not to start shit with gangs stronger than them, Hades needs to learn to do the same
this ray guy and crying about numbers in 4.0 with BL then in late 3.0 with gg / lucky plucker having too many but it was a 6 that pushed out of the restaurant and smoked rust
In OTT defense, Ray did the same thing againt OTT gang of deciding OOC to end a war due to toxicity and getting reported from BSK. People get tilted when admin get involve, even if it is something as innocent as rule clarification due to people being afraid of getting ban.
Lmao commenters are mad that Ray asked admins about a rule and turned out to be right. They are mad that ott can’t abuse the turf rule anymore. Not like he was winning fights with more people anyways.
A war or conflict with OTT always ends OOC. I've actually lost count the amount of wars he's hyped up for weeks then when it actually starts it ends before anything roleplay worth happens. It's the same repetitive pattern with this guy since ESB. Also, nothing is ever this guys fault but when an entire server of prominent streamers has you on permanent ignore it's not really hard to pinpoint who the common denominator is.
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Pls no more aids gang clips and black cncr gang clips them two are weird and boring ass gangs
EZ. Leave their turf. Ray crying about people holding turf when every previous war has been fine with people holding their own turf.
Ray's OOC message to the Admin about only 6 on turfs really messed up the flow. Hopefully, they find a way to end it in game since they are in the same location
yea idk who tf told ray this , if i was itt i would double check with koil , buddha or any other admins , sounds pretty sus ngl
OTT did it again YIKES😂
BBL smokin that Hades Pack. mmmmmmmmmm
Ott doing ott stuff again
Idk, stronger gang pushing weaker gang to their turf is just seems natural to me. You can argue about weak gang surrendering when they're getting pushed hard but winning side shouldn't really complain about "tower defense" when losing side can't do shit but hide in their turf. However, if you're losing and try to end the war OOC just to save some face in RP seems so shitty to me.
Why is everybody blaming OTT? Ray decides to OOC message admins asking about turf "clarification". Brother, Hades has used more than 6 on turf against Besties. They used the same turf rules while in The Company. CG uses it, BBMC uses it, Cypress uses it. Even Manor pushed Cypress in their turf 6v12. Why is it suddenly an issue now? Are we going to see this actually be the standard? Of course not. Even after BL decided to fight 4v6 when their crew was lacking, Hades couldn't do the same respect and take on a 6v8 with armour etc.? This is wild. I don't blame OTT for not wanting to continue this line of RP…getting admins involved is so weird but expected.
Holding Turf in war is normal I thought? I mean hell CG fought Saints 6v14 and it was fine. Manor fought Cypress 6v12. ADMC fought CG at LaPuerta 6v8. Cops vs CG and BBMC at LaPuerta. I assume it is only a problem here cause both gangs live on fudge and Black Lotus has the Fudge Lane Turf? Idk seems dumb to complain about it but I can see it being annoying if you have multiple houses there.
So which is it Ray contacted admins or vice versa?
OOCT strikes again ..war dont go their way ..retcon2..😂..see u next week for another lost war and another OOCT..
When roleplay turns into ruleplay, it just becomes weird end of story. Don't even know why Ray didn't just make the call to push in like they did before or had other gangs do to them in Sandy. Why get admins involved to make it weird? It's not even that deep, but what a lame outcome.
ray is so fucking dumb and cringe is crazy how his community keep hating and shitting on maximus dude
I'm pretty sure almost every war OTT in they end up OOC skip. So you can keep putting the blame on Hades but the real common factor on this kind of sht is OTT
To be fair to OTT, it seems like Ray is the one that got admins involved by asking them about the rule while on stream
Black Lotus even fought a 4v6 when they knew they were lacking I’m pretty sure. But then Ray doesn’t want to push another 6v8 despite his crew being full of armor
I’m just saying that I think both sides haven’t played this situation very well (IC and OOC)
The question here is if you have more properties in your enemies’ turf and your enemy only have one property in their turf, is it really the your enemies’ turf?
should it be base on roleplay or mechanics?
OTT's whole plan was to get numbers advantage for the fights, thats not how its supposed to be. He even wanted to convoy around the turf to get in a fight and get all others on turf involved then. Good they clarified and ended this shit.
OTT and BL said to follow our rules or move out. He's then camped fudge for 2 days and once they lost the first day said that 6 isn't enough, go to bed (if you want proof go watch his vods). He's rulebending a defensive turf concept to make it an aggressive one in order to purposely fight 6v10+. Hades has already attack twice into fudge. Black lotus gave the ultimatum of if you remove a camera, it's like shooting me in the middle of NA storm. It's an NA conflict. BL needs to go out and fight instead of having 3 war cars drive around their block with 6 camping on roofs considering they want conflict and the rp behind it. They're manipulating the situation to fight with more than 6, convoying on your block when you know a fight is going to happen with extra backup is not in the spirit of the rule. In the second fight black lotus shot first and initiated but are defending? Obviously the intent of the rule is being twisted and weaponized by them but nuance is obviously lost upon many commenters here.
Instead of crying ooc or going to admins could have talked in character and roleplayed out war term negotiations for example fudge lane being a safe zone or they fight x,y,z but not fudge lane. But then again we are talking about the 3 most egotistical delusional gang leaders.
Since this is 4.0 and have been out a few months ago there shouldn’t be no issue to double check on turf war so no one gets banned. Here’s the thing Hades have pushed on their turf many times. But when was this war about turf? You can’t even counter to take someone’s turf. Ott has always been the guy to go OOC to complain whenever things don’t go his way since forever. Hades didn’t need to double check they were winning the war.
Like how no one pointing out the simple fact that regardless of your feelings about Ray asking for rule clarification, the response from the admin could have just as easily been "nah what BL is doing is fine" and Hades would have just figured it out from there IC.
Also, asking for clarification from admins or devs is normal for Ray…he dms them whenever he isn’t sure about something, even when it could put him at a disadvantage. This narrative that he was doing it to get a W is honestly laughable.
Anyway – chill and watch whatever RP you enjoy watching. It's a game y'all (:
Ray still hasn't lost his ego from rust. Going to admins and throwing a fit after being smoked is crazy. Hades just like cg, can't take an L. Mr k at least knows not to start shit with gangs stronger than them, Hades needs to learn to do the same
Typical Ray having to cry to admins about rules when no other group has had problems with this
Lol the first toxic war of 4.0 between benji ray and ott is so classic. Ott is always ooc salty and benji and ray are so fucking tryhard.
Wars going ooc within a year 😂
Roleplayers ain't as fun as they used to be. Most are getting wierd as fuck 😅
this ray guy and crying about numbers in 4.0 with BL then in late 3.0 with gg / lucky plucker having too many but it was a 6 that pushed out of the restaurant and smoked rust
It’s the usual suspects. Can’t be surprised at this point
In OTT defense, Ray did the same thing againt OTT gang of deciding OOC to end a war due to toxicity and getting reported from BSK. People get tilted when admin get involve, even if it is something as innocent as rule clarification due to people being afraid of getting ban.
Lmao commenters are mad that Ray asked admins about a rule and turned out to be right. They are mad that ott can’t abuse the turf rule anymore. Not like he was winning fights with more people anyways.
A war or conflict with OTT always ends OOC. I've actually lost count the amount of wars he's hyped up for weeks then when it actually starts it ends before anything roleplay worth happens. It's the same repetitive pattern with this guy since ESB. Also, nothing is ever this guys fault but when an entire server of prominent streamers has you on permanent ignore it's not really hard to pinpoint who the common denominator is.