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00:00 Intro
01:23 Shadow/Fiery Presence
02:32 Cthonic/Dark Regen
04:03 Death/Stubborn Defiance
04:57 Greater/Ruthless Reflex
06:01 Boiling/Abyssal Blood
07:06 Infernal/Stygian Soul
09:17 Deep Pockets/Golden Touch
10:39 Thick Skin/High Confidence
11:41 Privileged Status/Family Faves
14:39 Olympian Favor/Dark Foresight
16:07 Gods’ Pride/Legacy
17:27 Fated Authortally/Persuasion
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I live and die by Golden Touch + Chthonic Coin Purse in Tartarus. Staying thrifty early when the run is easy translates into huge pockets for late-run spending.
I used fated authority once for a meme run to have a boon less run for the Hades dialogue. But otherwise I used fated persuasion. Great video!
Thick Skin vs. High Confidence summary: Don't use High Confidence unless you have High Confidence.
I don't think fated authority is that much worse than persuasion. I find a lot of my builds relying mostly on 2 gods, and the ability to force lots of zeus or artemis boons for example feels great. I also find that I often don't need health or gold, and rolling those rooms into more boons feels like it offsets having no control on what you're getting. Your point about importance of having a roll in room 1 did change my mind a bit tho
I think Ruthless Reflex is actually a little bit underrated, if only because you can completely replace Greater Reflex with a single boon from Hermes. If you're planning on using a fast skirmishing build that dashes a lot, in particular the fists, you'll end up getting a lot of free triggers of Ruthless Reflex without ever intending to. Then if you get a Greatest Reflex boon from Hermes, especially if it's Rare or Epic quality, you're just objectively better off than otherwise.
I agree with your thoughts on deep pockets vs golden touch. Early on I think golden touch is really nice when you're trying to farm titan's blood to unlock/upgrade the different weapon aspects because they're so costly. Especially if it's something you're actively going for and getting things like side hustle from hermes, or going after obol chamber rewards, by the time you reach styx you easily hit over the 100 obol initial amount with deep pockets. Plus in the late game once you finish unlocking everything in the mirror, you can simply refund the darkness and put it into something else, so it's not like you lose anything really in the long run by using golden touch while you need it.
“I don’t know if it’s really worth……. it”. I see you Twitch Haelian 😂
Does convenience fee 2 change evaluation around deep pockets/golden touch? It's not like you'll be buying much with that 100 gold anyway, but the extra gold form GT is a bit worthless too.
I prefer dark vitality for 2 reasons, troves and if you are repeating a heat level you always get a free full heal off that darkness
General Haelian's conclusions
– 1:23 ShadowPresence 75% – 25% Fiery Presence:
You'll find yourself using Shadow more, but depending on the aspect you might not get as much backstabs (Eris, Beowulf, Hestia), but you still lose damage vs bosses.
– 2:32 Cthonic Vitality 50% – 50% Dark Regeneration:
Dark regen. might help more if you wanna farm darkness, also if you have already claimed the Boss bounty (Titan blood, Diamond or Ambrosia), though Cthonic is the general option.
– 4:03 Death Defiance 99% – 1% Stubborn Defiance:
If you find yourself struggling with regions rather than bosses go for Stubborn.
– 4:57 Greater Reflexes 99% vs 1% Ruthless Reflexes:
Ruthless limits big part of your actions.
– 6:01 Boiling Blood 100% – 0% Abyssal Blood:
If you're new you can use Abyssal so you get used easier to bosses attacks/patterns (imo)
– 7:06 Infernal Soul 75% – 25% Stygian Soul:
Stygian on it's own it has its problems so Hermes/Chaos is a must.
– 9:17 Deep Pockets ??? – ??? Golden Touch:
You build faster with Deep pockets hence you clean rooms faster.
– 10:39 Thick Skin 60% – 40% High Confidence:
High Confidence buff it's not that notorious tbh, go for Thick Skin.
– 11:41 Privileged Status 25% – 75% Family Favor:
Privileged Status is a better option if your build is around gods that can apply a status at the very first Boon (Dionysius, Demeter, etc.), Family favor is for more general builds.
– 14:39 Olympian Favor 0% – 100% Dark Foresight:
Olympian Favor if you're new and wanna collect darkness and keys, Dark Foresight if you wanna clear the run.
– 16:07 Gods' Pride 50% – 50% Gods Legacy:
Gods Legacy if you build depends on a Duo Boon.
– 17:27 Fated Authority 0% – 100% Fated Persuasion:
Fated Authority if you wanna go for a meme build.
There's no darkness in the temple of styx the majority of the time. Maybe you can get it from a well of charon if you happen to come across one and the RNG works out for you, but relying on it for a health boost could be a bad time if you end up with a shakey build in the temple or the satyrs just really really hate you.
Thanks for the cool video! There are 2 things I've been wondering about with some of those mirror choices, though:
1) Would you play Fated Authority for a boonless run to reroll whenever the game tries forcing you into taking a boon? Does it even work that way, or is it guaranteed to just offer you another god?
2) Is Golden Touch worth it when I see an early Hoarding Slash with the sword?
I beat my first run without realizing there was two sides to the mirror
I like running Fiery Presence for certain speedruns – it helps one-shot normal room enemies. Also when I was first trying to get 32 heat, Privileged Status was the one that brought me over the edge!
About Fated authority / persuasion :
As you say, "you just have to meet that god again" if you miss your shot. I've grown accustomed to using Authority because it gives more boons overall during the run, by rerolling poms and health when not needed. The mindset is that, by having more boons (or more boons of a specific god), I also, in the end, increase the chance of getting what I'm looking for, all the while picking up other boons that are still useful.
Also, Fated Authority is a run saver in some nice challenge runs (like "no olympians Hades").
This is a surprise to see you back in Hades can't wait for Hades 2
i never use golden touch, hermes has the boon “side hustle” which gives you 10+ gold at the end of a chamber, and each room in styx counts as a chamber so you can farm lots of currency there if you really want a diamond or titans blood
Hey Haelian 12:24 this is actually not correct about only being able to get 4 gods + hermes. If you use Keepsakes you can force another god to spawn. I've found I can almost reliably get my 4 main gods by the end of Asphodel, then I'll switch to one of the god's Keepsakes I don't have to break the normal limit. It'll let you get two more making it a total of 7 x 5% (35%) if you get lucky
i have found Stubborn Defiance as my best mirror option to have untill i have beaten hades like 10 times or so.
it was an easy choice as well…aloweed me to make tons of mistakes on the way and i just loved having the choice of the 3rd region (Forgot the names sorry) that gave an additional 50% resulting in me having at least 80% going into each room
and then taking skully for that extra defience at the end….best case i still had the buff from region 3 and i went into hades with 2 diefences of 80% felt really good to be honest.
these days though (top heat only 6 sorry in advance still considered new), i like going with death defiance because if i die on the way it usually only happens once and i prob get it back till i get to hades (honestly lernie plus dashing into lavas most of the time lol with his smaller area)
Maybe it is just me, but Abyssal Blood is overlooked heavily, and can be very useful. It is basically the equivalent of a fully stacked Chill and Weak, and that’s actually fairly significant value. It can help cut down a sizable amount of damage you take from bosses and tougher enemies, and I believe it does stack with the actual god passives. I can understand why those who speedrun regularly wouldn’t take it over Boiling’s damage, but Abyssal can really help with counteracting Hard Labor and Forced Overtime, and make some fights much more manageable.
Thanks for the Hades content Haelian, and I’d love to see an updated Weapons guide where you share any changed thoughts and opinions on them. See you in Hades 2! 😊
I can't believe you redid the guide, many thanks.
just searched “haelian mirror guide”, you’ve got your finger on the pulse
Hades 2 announcement has all the creators making videos and also coincides with me picking the game back up which is great
Golden touch is almost always the better option if you do the math. Early 100 coins with golden touch compounds itself by 1.15 up to 40 times, meaning you'll quickly be earning massive income of 50 plus per room. You're basically trading the ability to buy a couple items in tartarus for the ability to buy several boons that prepare you for the final boss.
Ah yes, Fated Athortolly, my favourite mirror buff 🙂