Here’s another lore olympus discussion centered around the famous chess match from season 1. Looking at it now, it seems like a stab in the back and awful planning for both characters.
Oh she manipulated the HELL out of him! And to be both salty and honest: that’s how Persephone’s lived her whole life!
All she knows is how to twist people around because it’s always worked for her.
Most real life manipulators continue to do so because they’re often ‘rewarded’ for their behavior but here’s the twist between actual manipulation and the chess match: real manipulators have a consistent target. They often don’t go too out of their way because of key strategies they have that the victim is looking for (I.e. money, transportation, seggs)
With Persephone, her tactics worked because she was ‘Demeters daughter’. She would use her power and influence on nymphs and lower class gods, even her own mother during the Ares kissing scene!
Only when Demeter started becoming a detriment did she start ‘branching out’ to Olympus via Artemis, used her for free housing, THEN meet the sugar daddy of her dreams and just dropped her so called ‘friend’ like a boiling hot pocket so she could be ‘independent’ ( which obviously means being queen of equal standing to Hades…)
From an outside perspective, or rather Thanatos’s POV, it’s so OBVIOUS that she’s manipulating and being given special treatment from literally anyone!
sorry i took smoll break and yes i ready to coment . " COUGHT COUGHT" i want start that as general idea ( as general idea) i understood what rachel try to do there are alot of tropes were mc battles to the different character and if mc wins another character buys tham tea or ice cream or whatever. this ussually made for fun. so i understand this idea. HOWEVER…. this idea was not play well in this situation because usually when mc wins. they dont ask such serious thing like job or marriage . most of the time they ask for hand writting of smth and stuff like this so this Thing were not work well here.
2. minest reason why i dont like persiphone and heades she talks so manipulative like — Can i have one more iwi wiwi wish I AM LIKE WTF??? she does not acts like that to other people and only to him. i know rachel tries make her cute but.. ITS NOT like- its not at all bitch so i will never belive this two actually love eatchother.
Look at me I’m Persephone~! I’m soooo perfect and I got a job from my sugar daddy~! That’s what this entire scene makes me think of. They could’ve had her accept his answer and grow from that.
You should make your own version of Persephone and show us how you would’ve grown their romance.
I literally had to read episode 43 of that comic (As much as it pained me) and look over the chapter to check it out. Even without the context of the previous episodes, I can see the signs of manipulation Persephone was showcasing throughout the chapter. First of all, you could tell how desperate she was in wanting to keep her job. “Ah! Think! Don’t just wuss out.” Those are her thoughts after Hades refuses to let her work in the Underworld. She’s determined to cling onto the position in any way possible. Despite the circumstances of Hera's signature and even Hades not wanting to bend the rules, Persephone is willing to do anything for the sake of getting what she wants. Even when Hades tells her he won’t play her for a chance, she resorts to crying, a common tactic manipulators will use to appear more sympathetic. (I should know because Myne used this tactic in Shield Hero and we all know how manipulative that bitch is!)
Persephone is also distracting Hades with her cuteness and cluelessness. Hades knows that Chess is a complicated game and he has had many practice matches. So naturally he would have experience. Persephone is making herself seem like she is new to this game, answering many of Hades’s questions with ‘yup’ and stating: “I like the one that looks like a horse”. This is a facade she uses to make it seem she had no idea what she is doing, giving her opponent the implication that they have a shot and become over cocky. And it shows when Persephone bears a grin after she says “No I think I’ve got it.” She wasn’t talking about the game, she was talking about getting Hades’s to agree to this match without a clear mindspace. Even though Hades believes there is more to her innocent feature, he’s currently focused on winning the game to get her out of his office. He’s so focused on winning, he doesn’t even take notice to the board, instead he talks with Persehpone.
Persephone keeps bringing up her home life, about how despite being the daughter of Demeter, she herself would not get any money stating: “We are immortal, what good is being an heiress?” She keeps referring to her wants and desires, trying to get more sympathy from Hades which distracts his moves. She uses her backstory as a way to one-up him. Another tactic manipulators will use. Once she wins, she reminds Hades there is no going back on his word, indicating that she got what she wanted. And before he can persuade her further, she changes the subject upon using the snow that is falling, making Hades take her up so she can see it and thus ending their conversation.
I’ll give Rachel this, she did a good job displaying manipulative traits that people use to manipulate others. And on the surface, seeing Persephone using those tactics to get what she wants is an interesting plot. My issue with this though, is that it comes out of nowhere. Maybe it’s because I haven’t read all of LO, so I might be missing a lot of context, but Persephone doesn’t really seem to have any other moments of her manipulative traits. As mentioned before, Persephone is a mary-sue self-insert, and she is often described as being beautiful, smart, and kind. There are hints she can get upset and angry, but we all know that is due to Eris, and she has unstable powers that are too op but are only used for plot convenience. Also, manipulation doesn’t seem like an actual trait for just Persephone alone, considering every god and goddess are manipulative in LO. Aphrodite, Apollo, Artemis, Ares, Demeter, Zeus, Hera. So you can’t even say that such a trait is Persephone’s characteristic alone either, because plenty of the gods exhibit that behavior.
Her manipulative traits would have made more sense if she learned it from her mother. Maybe Demeter, because of her fertility goddess-like status, would train her daughter to use these tactics as due to how important they are, they believe they deserve power and will do whatever they can to get it. Either to get something they want or to move up in status. The episode where Demeter put Persephone in a cage could have been a reference to Demeter teaching her daughter about tricking and manipulating rather than just an overprotective moment from a helicopter parent. Hell, Rachel could have expanded upon how manipulative Persephone was by having Demeter let her go to Olympus. Say for example Artemis sees Persephone and questions if she wants to go to Olympus, so the fertility goddesses plan a ruse to make it seem the youngest wants to go but has an overprotective mother. Maybe Demeter texts Persephone so often in order to get some inside dirt on the gods as leverage so they don’t mess with either Demeter or Persephone
And I dunno why, but with Apollo and Persephone, the SA scene can still happen, but why not make it in reverse? Where maybe Apollo likes Persephone, but doesn’t overly flirt with her or be creepy because she is the first student Artemis has, and he wants his sister to succeed in getting some more students as if she does a good job with Persephone, it will help Artemis move up in Olympus. So he becomes friends with Perse to support Artemis. Persephone learns about this and decides to take it as an advantage once she learns Apollo is next in line for Zeus’s throne. So, she uses her manipulative powers to get Apollo into her room and forces HERSELF onto HIM. When he realizes what happens, he is the one that is distraught and upset and leaves. He then confront Persephone about what happened, and she warns him that if he tries to tell Artemis, she will tell the goddess of the hunt that Apollo raped Persephone, which will make Artemis lose her credibility as the protector of virgin women and endanger her status. And because Apollo loves his sister, he keeps his mouth shut in fear that she will be the one to suffer.
I don’t mind that Persephone is manipulative, but it should have been more hinted or at least written as part of her character early on. Hell she could try and manipulate Hades to be his wife, as that would mean that she can have rule over the living and dead, a status that no god has ever achieved and Demeter would encourage her daughter to do so, while also being in the way of Hades to push him to be with Persephone. Honestly, that is a plot I wish LO or any other retelling of Hades and Persephone I would like to see.
She's one of the biggest nepotist child in that comic, she would have never worked hard to get into the industry, like how they glorify innocence and villanize lust,sexyness, beign mature (Minthe and all nymphs) is insane kinda gives me Stephanie Meyers trying to make people hate her blonde character (Rosalie and the Denali) but they were written better and more liked than the protagonist who they tried to make people think that the brunette characters were better but nope. This writers when they say they are feminsts I would never beleive is giving lack of intersectionality
She does all that and still suck at the job, not wonder Thanatos refused to offer help. But we're supposed to believe that farming will somehow make Persephone a good Queen
LMAOOOO, this actually makes a lot of sense when we realize that Persephone did things behind Hades' back, like giving money to souls or hiding factors in the trial, who's to say that her version of the murders is actually the truth? Knowing how he did not think twice about turning Menthe, one doubts if she sweetened some things, more than Hades believed her without hesitation and when she was crying his tears dried instantly when he wanted to show him the tape VHS, she even showed cunning when he also took advantage of Ares to practice her kisses, without forgetting that she loves her mother but sometimes it seems that Persephone demonizes her own mother… And you know something? This would be the best plot twist in the comic, then Hades suspiciously disappears without a trace and since he left all his stuff in Persephone's name… BOOM!, she's got the underworld and tartarus on her hands
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Oh she manipulated the HELL out of him! And to be both salty and honest: that’s how Persephone’s lived her whole life!
All she knows is how to twist people around because it’s always worked for her.
Most real life manipulators continue to do so because they’re often ‘rewarded’ for their behavior but here’s the twist between actual manipulation and the chess match: real manipulators have a consistent target. They often don’t go too out of their way because of key strategies they have that the victim is looking for (I.e. money, transportation, seggs)
With Persephone, her tactics worked because she was ‘Demeters daughter’. She would use her power and influence on nymphs and lower class gods, even her own mother during the Ares kissing scene!
Only when Demeter started becoming a detriment did she start ‘branching out’ to Olympus via Artemis, used her for free housing, THEN meet the sugar daddy of her dreams and just dropped her so called ‘friend’ like a boiling hot pocket so she could be ‘independent’ ( which obviously means being queen of equal standing to Hades…)
From an outside perspective, or rather Thanatos’s POV, it’s so OBVIOUS that she’s manipulating and being given special treatment from literally anyone!
But that’s just my thought!
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sorry i took smoll break and yes i ready to coment . " COUGHT COUGHT" i want start that as general idea ( as general idea) i understood what rachel try to do there are alot of tropes were mc battles to the different character and if mc wins another character buys tham tea or ice cream or whatever. this ussually made for fun. so i understand this idea. HOWEVER…. this idea was not play well in this situation because usually when mc wins. they dont ask such serious thing like job or marriage . most of the time they ask for hand writting of smth and stuff like this so this Thing were not work well here.
2. minest reason why i dont like persiphone and heades she talks so manipulative like — Can i have one more iwi wiwi wish I AM LIKE WTF??? she does not acts like that to other people and only to him. i know rachel tries make her cute but.. ITS NOT like- its not at all bitch so i will never belive this two actually love eatchother.
Look at me I’m Persephone~! I’m soooo perfect and I got a job from my sugar daddy~! That’s what this entire scene makes me think of. They could’ve had her accept his answer and grow from that.
You should make your own version of Persephone and show us how you would’ve grown their romance.
I literally had to read episode 43 of that comic (As much as it pained me) and look over the chapter to check it out. Even without the context of the previous episodes, I can see the signs of manipulation Persephone was showcasing throughout the chapter. First of all, you could tell how desperate she was in wanting to keep her job. “Ah! Think! Don’t just wuss out.” Those are her thoughts after Hades refuses to let her work in the Underworld. She’s determined to cling onto the position in any way possible. Despite the circumstances of Hera's signature and even Hades not wanting to bend the rules, Persephone is willing to do anything for the sake of getting what she wants. Even when Hades tells her he won’t play her for a chance, she resorts to crying, a common tactic manipulators will use to appear more sympathetic. (I should know because Myne used this tactic in Shield Hero and we all know how manipulative that bitch is!)
Persephone is also distracting Hades with her cuteness and cluelessness. Hades knows that Chess is a complicated game and he has had many practice matches. So naturally he would have experience. Persephone is making herself seem like she is new to this game, answering many of Hades’s questions with ‘yup’ and stating: “I like the one that looks like a horse”. This is a facade she uses to make it seem she had no idea what she is doing, giving her opponent the implication that they have a shot and become over cocky. And it shows when Persephone bears a grin after she says “No I think I’ve got it.” She wasn’t talking about the game, she was talking about getting Hades’s to agree to this match without a clear mindspace. Even though Hades believes there is more to her innocent feature, he’s currently focused on winning the game to get her out of his office. He’s so focused on winning, he doesn’t even take notice to the board, instead he talks with Persehpone.
Persephone keeps bringing up her home life, about how despite being the daughter of Demeter, she herself would not get any money stating: “We are immortal, what good is being an heiress?” She keeps referring to her wants and desires, trying to get more sympathy from Hades which distracts his moves. She uses her backstory as a way to one-up him. Another tactic manipulators will use. Once she wins, she reminds Hades there is no going back on his word, indicating that she got what she wanted. And before he can persuade her further, she changes the subject upon using the snow that is falling, making Hades take her up so she can see it and thus ending their conversation.
I’ll give Rachel this, she did a good job displaying manipulative traits that people use to manipulate others. And on the surface, seeing Persephone using those tactics to get what she wants is an interesting plot. My issue with this though, is that it comes out of nowhere. Maybe it’s because I haven’t read all of LO, so I might be missing a lot of context, but Persephone doesn’t really seem to have any other moments of her manipulative traits. As mentioned before, Persephone is a mary-sue self-insert, and she is often described as being beautiful, smart, and kind. There are hints she can get upset and angry, but we all know that is due to Eris, and she has unstable powers that are too op but are only used for plot convenience. Also, manipulation doesn’t seem like an actual trait for just Persephone alone, considering every god and goddess are manipulative in LO. Aphrodite, Apollo, Artemis, Ares, Demeter, Zeus, Hera. So you can’t even say that such a trait is Persephone’s characteristic alone either, because plenty of the gods exhibit that behavior.
Her manipulative traits would have made more sense if she learned it from her mother. Maybe Demeter, because of her fertility goddess-like status, would train her daughter to use these tactics as due to how important they are, they believe they deserve power and will do whatever they can to get it. Either to get something they want or to move up in status. The episode where Demeter put Persephone in a cage could have been a reference to Demeter teaching her daughter about tricking and manipulating rather than just an overprotective moment from a helicopter parent. Hell, Rachel could have expanded upon how manipulative Persephone was by having Demeter let her go to Olympus. Say for example Artemis sees Persephone and questions if she wants to go to Olympus, so the fertility goddesses plan a ruse to make it seem the youngest wants to go but has an overprotective mother. Maybe Demeter texts Persephone so often in order to get some inside dirt on the gods as leverage so they don’t mess with either Demeter or Persephone
And I dunno why, but with Apollo and Persephone, the SA scene can still happen, but why not make it in reverse? Where maybe Apollo likes Persephone, but doesn’t overly flirt with her or be creepy because she is the first student Artemis has, and he wants his sister to succeed in getting some more students as if she does a good job with Persephone, it will help Artemis move up in Olympus. So he becomes friends with Perse to support Artemis. Persephone learns about this and decides to take it as an advantage once she learns Apollo is next in line for Zeus’s throne. So, she uses her manipulative powers to get Apollo into her room and forces HERSELF onto HIM. When he realizes what happens, he is the one that is distraught and upset and leaves. He then confront Persephone about what happened, and she warns him that if he tries to tell Artemis, she will tell the goddess of the hunt that Apollo raped Persephone, which will make Artemis lose her credibility as the protector of virgin women and endanger her status. And because Apollo loves his sister, he keeps his mouth shut in fear that she will be the one to suffer.
I don’t mind that Persephone is manipulative, but it should have been more hinted or at least written as part of her character early on. Hell she could try and manipulate Hades to be his wife, as that would mean that she can have rule over the living and dead, a status that no god has ever achieved and Demeter would encourage her daughter to do so, while also being in the way of Hades to push him to be with Persephone. Honestly, that is a plot I wish LO or any other retelling of Hades and Persephone I would like to see.
She's one of the biggest nepotist child in that comic, she would have never worked hard to get into the industry, like how they glorify innocence and villanize lust,sexyness, beign mature (Minthe and all nymphs) is insane kinda gives me Stephanie Meyers trying to make people hate her blonde character (Rosalie and the Denali) but they were written better and more liked than the protagonist who they tried to make people think that the brunette characters were better but nope. This writers when they say they are feminsts I would never beleive is giving lack of intersectionality
She does all that and still suck at the job, not wonder Thanatos refused to offer help. But we're supposed to believe that farming will somehow make Persephone a good Queen
LMAOOOO, this actually makes a lot of sense when we realize that Persephone did things behind Hades' back, like giving money to souls or hiding factors in the trial, who's to say that her version of the murders is actually the truth? Knowing how he did not think twice about turning Menthe, one doubts if she sweetened some things, more than Hades believed her without hesitation and when she was crying his tears dried instantly when he wanted to show him the tape VHS, she even showed cunning when he also took advantage of Ares to practice her kisses, without forgetting that she loves her mother but sometimes it seems that Persephone demonizes her own mother… And you know something? This would be the best plot twist in the comic, then Hades suspiciously disappears without a trace and since he left all his stuff in Persephone's name… BOOM!, she's got the underworld and tartarus on her hands