Nem's definitely right, especially when you look at greek mythology and realize these guys were petty af to the point of straight up cursing people for being pivked over them
Melinoë has plenty of examples of the harshness of the gods towards each other and the mortals. Heracles, sisyphus, the sh*t oddyseus had to go through, and literally any time Zeus was in a conversation. But she's hearing about these as a story so she's not attached to them. What she is attached to is Cronus actively taking what would be her family away from her. That's why Zag fought Hades; to get out and find his mother. Granted Zag seems a bit wiser than Melinoë, probably due to his father being the ever stoic Hades.
One thing to keep in mind in some myths about the Golden Age is that one of the key players in it was Gaia. Remember during the Golden Age, Chronus kept up his end of the bargain with Ouranos' usurpation by liberating the Cyclopes and the Hecatoncheires, and as thanks Gaia provides for humanity. But in the versions of those myths where he libertates them, Chronos imprisons the Cyclopes and Hecatoncheires in Tartarus, or in other versions never keeps his end of the deal and let's them rot; all the time doing so out of paranoia. What does Chronos think would happen if he would win? Gaia would help him? Because when Zeus refused to free the Titans, Gaia created the most dangerous and powerful monster in all of Greek mythology who would go on to have some of the most dangerous monsters as his children. And said monster temporarily defeats Zeus. What makes him think she wouldn't do the same but this time have the monster liberate everyone who hates him?
You know Nemesis has a point, the Gods have screwed with humanity many times for the tiniest of things or things they weren't even responsible for, The Trojan War, The treatment of Zeuse's illegitimate children, The fate of Arachne and Medusa, and the list goes on.
I wonder exactly how "accurate" the pre-olypmian 'golden age' was. Because some variants of that myth are linked to tellings of Pandora as the first woman, aka: "women are the source of all evil". So like…was Hesiod writing in good faith? (No, probably not)
I kinda like the idea that Nemesis sees Chronos' return as a form of karmic justice for all the stuff The Olympians have done over their rule. Hell, I feel like Zagreus would kind of agree.
So how were humans treated better when Chronos was in charge, how was it consider the Golden Age? Like in mythology or the lore of the games? All I ever hear from Chronos from that time is he ate his children and overthrew his father. I think I remember reading Percy Jackson and it was stated something similar to that affect too.
“You think him being somewhat nice to some mortal makes up for what he did?” That right there is part of the reason why things are the way they are Mel😭😭
Oh honey, if only you saw even HALF every petty, spiteful and downright cruel thing your family has done to mortals, innocent or not. You'd understand why nemesis isn't 100% with you. Zeus deserves thousands cruelties done to him alone.
If ir remember correctly. Nemesis specifically was only divine justice (don't ask me why theh had it separated in the myths, i believe we all have the same idea) while mortal justice was a different deity, which would make this kind of funny to imagine
Honestly, that is a valid point. We as players care about the gods because they are the side we are on, but it is also true that Demeter keep an incredibly long winter which made life for mortals almost impossible, for motives which i think weren't even their fault, until Zangreus came and fixed everything up. But there were also gods like Artemis who tried to solve that, and most gods did also helped the mortals, so it becomes into an interesting debate that could serve for getting her involved into the war
Nem's definitely right, especially when you look at greek mythology and realize these guys were petty af to the point of straight up cursing people for being pivked over them
Yeah fuck the Olympians!!!
Poor, Melinoe.
Not sure if she is ready to know all the horrible things that Zeus, Poseidon, and the other gods committed.
Likes where do I begin? Though mostly is Zeus' fault.
Melinoë has plenty of examples of the harshness of the gods towards each other and the mortals. Heracles, sisyphus, the sh*t oddyseus had to go through, and literally any time Zeus was in a conversation.
But she's hearing about these as a story so she's not attached to them.
What she is attached to is Cronus actively taking what would be her family away from her.
That's why Zag fought Hades; to get out and find his mother.
Granted Zag seems a bit wiser than Melinoë, probably due to his father being the ever stoic Hades.
She dos not know , 😢😢😢
One thing to keep in mind in some myths about the Golden Age is that one of the key players in it was Gaia. Remember during the Golden Age, Chronus kept up his end of the bargain with Ouranos' usurpation by liberating the Cyclopes and the Hecatoncheires, and as thanks Gaia provides for humanity. But in the versions of those myths where he libertates them, Chronos imprisons the Cyclopes and Hecatoncheires in Tartarus, or in other versions never keeps his end of the deal and let's them rot; all the time doing so out of paranoia. What does Chronos think would happen if he would win? Gaia would help him? Because when Zeus refused to free the Titans, Gaia created the most dangerous and powerful monster in all of Greek mythology who would go on to have some of the most dangerous monsters as his children. And said monster temporarily defeats Zeus. What makes him think she wouldn't do the same but this time have the monster liberate everyone who hates him?
Weren’t humans routinely culled and slaughtered during that “Golden Age”?
Why is Nem so hot?
You know Nemesis has a point, the Gods have screwed with humanity many times for the tiniest of things or things they weren't even responsible for, The Trojan War, The treatment of Zeuse's illegitimate children, The fate of Arachne and Medusa, and the list goes on.
dayum finally insightful writing
Does anyone else expecting — after finally killing the Titan — that Hecate will switch off her accent and tell you: "Nice work, boyo!.."?
I wonder exactly how "accurate" the pre-olypmian 'golden age' was. Because some variants of that myth are linked to tellings of Pandora as the first woman, aka: "women are the source of all evil". So like…was Hesiod writing in good faith? (No, probably not)
Melinoe misses the point of the story: the gods are terrible to mortals, and just like Kronos is awful to them
I kinda like the idea that Nemesis sees Chronos' return as a form of karmic justice for all the stuff The Olympians have done over their rule. Hell, I feel like Zagreus would kind of agree.
So how were humans treated better when Chronos was in charge, how was it consider the Golden Age? Like in mythology or the lore of the games? All I ever hear from Chronos from that time is he ate his children and overthrew his father. I think I remember reading Percy Jackson and it was stated something similar to that affect too.
It is strange how in multiple lines of dialogue for melinoe there is always this palpable disdain for humans.
I mean most gods are straight up d***s they do random things for random reasons all be it hades was really good compared to the others but still
“You think him being somewhat nice to some mortal makes up for what he did?” That right there is part of the reason why things are the way they are Mel😭😭
Oh honey, if only you saw even HALF every petty, spiteful and downright cruel thing your family has done to mortals, innocent or not. You'd understand why nemesis isn't 100% with you. Zeus deserves thousands cruelties done to him alone.
If ir remember correctly. Nemesis specifically was only divine justice (don't ask me why theh had it separated in the myths, i believe we all have the same idea) while mortal justice was a different deity, which would make this kind of funny to imagine
Honestly, that is a valid point. We as players care about the gods because they are the side we are on, but it is also true that Demeter keep an incredibly long winter which made life for mortals almost impossible, for motives which i think weren't even their fault, until Zangreus came and fixed everything up. But there were also gods like Artemis who tried to solve that, and most gods did also helped the mortals, so it becomes into an interesting debate that could serve for getting her involved into the war
I feel like this is gonna shape up to be a story of generational trauma, and I’m kind of here for it